 440 Running Like A Bag Of Spanners And Cutting Out |
|
 |
||||||||||||||||||
 |
|
|||||||||||||||||
 |
 |
|
||||||||||||||||
 |
||||||||||||||||||
  |
|
| Do you like Volvo-Forums.com? Link to us and help spread the word about our forum. Thanks! | |
| 440 Running Like A Bag Of Spanners And Cutting Out |
 Dec 6 2005, 11:56 AM
Post
#1
|
|
|
Newbie Group: Members Posts: 19 Joined: 30-November 05 Member No.: 9,387 Status:  Location: Scotland, England Drives: Volvo 440 1.8 SE Manual Petrol  |
as you will know from previous posts having a bit of trouble from my new 440. i picked it up and was told it has a misfire and a rattling exhaust.
brought it home last night and it was fine above about 1500-2000rpm, ran like a dream. as soon as it got below 1500 rpm, especially when starting it up, the engine sounds very rough (like its misfiring) and the engine moves around more than usual, causing the exhaust to rattle. when i picked it up the seller said that he had the lambda sensor changed, and the mechanic told him that the air temp sensor was causing it to misfire. he also said that he had to spraty and coil, distribution cap and anything else electrical with WD40 to start it on cold mornings. dod he ever. the whole engine bay is covered in WD40 and ive just cleaned it off. 4 new plugs, a new air filter and some new leads later its the same. im awaiting a new coil and a new air temp sensor on this guys advice. ive just got the feeling that its not going to solve it. is there anything else that could do this??? (its deffo not head gasket failure) ps its a 1.8 petrol LE injection |
 |
 
|
|
Dec 6 2005, 03:23 PM
Post
#2
|
|
 Full Member  Group: Members Posts: 140 Joined: 14-November 05 Member No.: 8,874 Status: Location: Wales, UK Drives: Volvo S40 |
Amazing the fact the whole engine has WD40 on it....have you checked all the levels?
Does the engine make a stupid noise just after it is started then goes? Do you have a haynes manual? I have one but its a mile down the road...i will look tomorrow and tell you what it says about the things you are describing... Good Luck! |
|
|
|
|
Dec 6 2005, 04:24 PM
Post
#3
|
|
|
Newbie Group: Members Posts: 19 Joined: 30-November 05 Member No.: 9,387 Status: Location: Scotland, England Drives: Volvo 440 1.8 SE Manual Petrol |
yeah, i had to put oil in it and water, but it still runs like ***. ive got a haynes manual, basically i reckon that one of the cylinders (probably no1) is not firing due to lack of spark, either from a knackered dizzy cap, rotor arm or a coil. all are on the way tome so ill keep the post updated.
honestly the engine was c-o-a-t-e-d in WD, and i mean all over everything. |
|
|
|
 Dec 7 2005, 07:45 PM
Post
#4
|
|
 Veteran Group: Members Posts: 1,348 Joined: 7-August 05 Member No.: 6,813 Status: Location: North Kent, England Drives: 2002 Volvo V40 T4 2.0 Sport Lux |
Hi Paul, got your PM!
Sounds like you are already working your way through a logical process of elimination anyway, so you're headed in the right direction. Most people when selling a car will try to clean up things like WD40 overspray & make sure oil & water levels are topped-up, to make right impression on prospective buyers, so if this chap couldn't be bothered it doesn't sound like the car got much TLC - is the cylinder compression OK? You didn't say anything about the old plugs, so presumably they looked alright, not burned or fouled with oil. With so much WD40 in the engine area, I wonder whether the flywheel sensor has become contaminated, maybe by dirt sticking to WD40 overspray? Try cleaning the sensor up & checking that its wiring looks good. Also worth adding a strong dose of petrol injector cleaner to the fuel tank and getting the filtered air feed plastic piping off of the top of the single point injector unit & spraying plenty of carb cleaner into the injector housing to clean out any varnish/gunge build-up. Could also be a vacuum leak at the throttle housing, a leaking crankcase vent hose or a loose, worn, cracked or gunged-up distributor. Just for good measure get the alternator output and the battery checked - most places will do this for free. If these no/low cost fixes don't solve it, fit the new air temp sensor & see if that does the trick. If not, then try the new coil. After that I'd fit a new rotor arm & distributor cap. Based on clues as to how well previous owner looked after the car, it's worth checking when the timing belt was last changed & also that the tensioner is working correctly. Unlikely he changed the fuel filter so I'd bung a new one on in case original is blocked up. Next have the fuel pump & pressure checked, ensure that the fuel tank vent isn't blocked & that a fuel line isn't pinched somewhere. Best to just try one thing at a time, then you'll save hastle + money and, of course, you'll be sure what was causing the problem. Best of luck, please do let us know how you get on. BB :thumbsup: |
|
|
|
|
Dec 9 2005, 02:50 PM
Post
#5
|
|
|
Newbie Group: Members Posts: 19 Joined: 30-November 05 Member No.: 9,387 Status: Location: Scotland, England Drives: Volvo 440 1.8 SE Manual Petrol |
i got a new dist cap and rotor arm, and went to fit them the other day. realising i didnt have a torx nut, i got one, then rounded a nut off trying to get it off. it was stuck fast!
i dont think it has been off since it was on the production line!! so i smashed the cap off with a chisel and took the bolts off with a pair of locking pliers. lo and behold the cap was cracked, and the arm was manky. fitted a new cap and arm and after a few backfires, started first time every time. now all i have to do is sort the exhaust out (it is rattling up and down against the floor pan in the boot, think its the mounts) and fit the washer bottle and its going in for its test. the air temp sensor was fine, before fitting the cap and arm i disconnected it and tried starting the car. nothing at all, so i reconnected it. its still chugging a but but its not misfiring. ill give it a fuel filter change and also an oil change asap. on top of that im going to degrease and clean off the WD from the engine bay. ill keep the board updated, and i really appreciate your help! oh and i forgot - i paid £21.01 for the car, with 120k on the clock, four new tyres, a volvo service history up to 72k and dundee service history up to 117k!! its cost me about £120 so far including bulbs, plugs, oil, petrol, air filter, cap, rotor arm and a valet! hopefully it will only cost us a bit more to mot and tax it! |
|
|
|
|
Dec 9 2005, 03:40 PM
Post
#6
|
|
|
Veteran Group: Members Posts: 1,348 Joined: 7-August 05 Member No.: 6,813 Status: Location: North Kent, England Drives: 2002 Volvo V40 T4 2.0 Sport Lux |
:460: Fantastic news Paul, glad to hear you've solved the main cause of the problem.
Once you've changed the fuel filter, would still suggest adding a strong dose of petrol injector cleaner to the fuel tank and getting the filtered air feed plastic piping off of the top of the single point injector unit & spraying plenty of carb cleaner into the injector housing to clean out any varnish/gunge build-up - you'll be amazed what you find in there! When you change the oil, it's worth first using a flushing agent like Wynns - see http://www.wynnoil.co.uk/products_main_frame.htm for more info (available most places e.g. halfords, circa £3.99 I think). Also worth checking those service records for when the cambelt was last changed & whether the tensioner was replaced at the same time. Again, if not clear from service records, I'd change the coolant/antifreeze and the brake fluid as well. Fingers crossed for the MOT, hope you get lots of miles out of it for your total £141.01 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BB :thumbsup: |
|
|
|
|
Dec 10 2005, 10:31 AM
Post
#7
|
|
|
Newbie Group: Members Posts: 6 Joined: 6-December 05 Member No.: 9,586 Status: Location: uk Drives: volvo 440 1.8 GS |
QUOTE(Black Beauty T4 @ Dec 7 2005, 07:45 PM) Hi Paul, got your PM! Sounds like you are already working your way through a logical process of elimination anyway, so you're headed in the right direction. Most people when selling a car will try to clean up things like WD40 overspray & make sure oil & water levels are topped-up, to make right impression on prospective buyers, so if this chap couldn't be bothered it doesn't sound like the car got much TLC - is the cylinder compression OK? You didn't say anything about the old plugs, so presumably they looked alright, not burned or fouled with oil. With so much WD40 in the engine area, I wonder whether the flywheel sensor has become contaminated, maybe by dirt sticking to WD40 overspray? Try cleaning the sensor up & checking that its wiring looks good. Also worth adding a strong dose of petrol injector cleaner to the fuel tank and getting the filtered air feed plastic piping off of the top of the single point injector unit & spraying plenty of carb cleaner into the injector housing to clean out any varnish/gunge build-up. Could also be a vacuum leak at the throttle housing, a leaking crankcase vent hose or a loose, worn, cracked or gunged-up distributor. Just for good measure get the alternator output and the battery checked - most places will do this for free. If these no/low cost fixes don't solve it, fit the new air temp sensor & see if that does the trick. If not, then try the new coil. After that I'd fit a new rotor arm & distributor cap. Based on clues as to how well previous owner looked after the car, it's worth checking when the timing belt was last changed & also that the tensioner is working correctly. Unlikely he changed the fuel filter so I'd bung a new one on in case original is blocked up. Next have the fuel pump & pressure checked, ensure that the fuel tank vent isn't blocked & that a fuel line isn't pinched somewhere. Best to just try one thing at a time, then you'll save hastle + money and, of course, you'll be sure what was causing the problem. Best of luck, please do let us know how you get on. BB :thumbsup: [right][snapback]20227[/snapback][/right] Hi, what car is that in your photo? It looks smash to nothing! Thanks |
|
|
|
|
Dec 10 2005, 09:53 PM
Post
#8
|
|
|
Veteran Group: Members Posts: 1,348 Joined: 7-August 05 Member No.: 6,813 Status: Location: North Kent, England Drives: 2002 Volvo V40 T4 2.0 Sport Lux |
Yup, regrettably he did too good a job of wrapping himself & the car round a tree.
It's a Ford & from the spoiler I'd say it's an Escort XR3i - the Escort RS Turbo spoiler is very different. It's sort of a reminder why we drive Volvos - we never know who or what is round the next corner. BB :thumbsup: |
|
|
|
|
Dec 14 2005, 05:52 PM
Post
#9
|
|
|
Newbie Group: Members Posts: 6 Joined: 6-December 05 Member No.: 9,586 Status: Location: uk Drives: volvo 440 1.8 GS |
Yes thats a tin can ford. I agree as to why we drive volvos as i wouldnt really feel safe in anything else now.Guest ive been spoiled!
|
|
|
|
|
Similar Topics
| Topic | Replies | Topic Starter | Views | Last Action | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
 |
440 Non Starter | 15 | 440 bloke | 116 | 14th November 2008 - 04:19 PM Last post by: 440 bloke |
|
440 Heater | 1 | wellskint | 13 | 13th November 2008 - 02:30 PM Last post by: grendel1960 |
|
440 Cuts Out After Drive | 3 | bigbadbluevolvo | 85 | 27th October 2008 - 01:21 PM Last post by: bkf_uk |
|
 Cutting Out & Letting Out Black Smokepossible turbo problem? |
1 | justin89740 | 68 | 25th October 2008 - 04:14 AM Last post by: SykO |
|
440 2.0cd For Sale /spares car for sale |
0 | Geoffupnorth | 140 | 31st August 2008 - 05:05 PM Last post by: Geoffupnorth |
Link To Us| If you found our site useful please link to us <a href="http://www.volvo-forums.com">Volvo-Forums.com</a>. |
Time is now: 23rd November 2008 - 06:52 AM |
||
| © 2004 Volvo-forums.com | ||
