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> Want To Install Factory Turbo, Any info ya'll?
dan964
post Jun 2 2009, 09:00 PM
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I've got a 945 nonturbo and at my local junkyard is a 945 turbo from which the junker will sell me the turbo and manifold for 150 bucks. Seems like a steal to me, if of course, the turbo is in good order. (the car was wrecked with 70000 miles!!)

Already pulled a climate control head from the car, so the junker knows me (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

anyway, what else is there to it, other than installing the turbo and manifold, rerouting the intake and installing a chargecooler, that i need to do to turn my 940 into a 940T? Super excited about this, I like my cool and collective 964, but the 945 has a sporty edge to it that i just cant get enough of- more so with the turbo i'd imagine.

So in short,

Do i just install the turbo and rumble? or do i need to do things to the ignition and fuel systems (or are they the same)? What, if anything else, do i need to do other than just drop this joe into the car?

Thanks tons guys and gals!
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post Jun 3 2009, 12:34 AM
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I dont know what differences in the bottom end or your head from the B230ft engine compared to the B230 engine you have. I do know that you'll atleast need turbocharger (of course (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) with the coolant and oil return piping, manifold (dont need a gasket for the turbo to manifold as it is machined fit), and possibly a new ecu out of the turbo vehicle, but you need to know if you have an EGR valve or not (they have an ECU for EGR and non). Then throw in the intercooler and piping for that. If you are buying only the turbo and manifold for $150, too expensive. check out pullapart.com if you are in the southeast. I have my buddy selling my turbo set up from my 95' 940 which includes all that listed except the manifold. If you are interested in it, you can do a search the title of "Volvo 740 760 940 Turbo,Intercooler, Piping Ect.". Reason it's being sold is due to the fact that I am doing an engine swap. If you get that turbo from your local junker, make sure to check for any play in the turbine fins. If there is none, it's a good turbo. I hope someone else can elaborate more on the subject and correct any mistakes I may have notated. Good luck on your build.
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post Jun 3 2009, 04:02 AM
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with somethign like this, if its your daily driver then i really wouldnt bother as it is going to take A LOT of time, effort and money.

first off you have to assemble all the parts:

turbo, ehxuast manifold, downpipe, exhaust system, ecu - not only that really(considering there might be extra cabling involved), bigger fuel injectors, a different AMM, intercooler, associated pipework, different mountings for the radiator as the intercooler goes infront of the rad, fuel pump.

and to do it properly: the pistons from the turbo model, new head gasket, new inlet gasket, cam shaft too i would suspect. heck you might aswell take the whole head off the turbo model. Oil feeds and returns are the biggest problem, you'll have to find a pressurised oil feed from your engine fopr the turbo, then drill a hole in your sump for the oil return. (not easy)

actually what would be easier would be just to lift the entire engine out the other car, with all associated cabling, pipework and headers etc... and dump that straight into yours.

Ideally you'll want to have a small banger which you can run around with whilst this is happening cos its a big job whichever way you look at it.

Then you have to think, can your gearbox take it? is it auto or manual, if so which type of box (auto - zf aw70, aw71, aw71l)(manual - m46, m47 or m90) you'll have to uprate your brakes or get new discs that are drilled and grooved with new pads too, give your braking system a damned good overhaul, as the added power will make you go faster, ever thought about stopping 2.5tons of steel from 90mph? i have and it takes a LONG time!

you have to consider all this work, time, money and effort for the sake of maybe an extra 30-50 hp. not the cheapest way. your actually better off spending say $500 on a staged nitrous injection kit (not recommending it as it may be illegal in your country for on road use(its not in mine)).

For a non turbo engine you can consider several thigns for more power gain: Use higher octane rated fuel, make your car breathe better eg induction kit with cold air feed (put a vacuum meter on the throttle body, if there is a vacuum there when the car is idling there is a restrictive filter system on the car), get the exhaust system free'd up a bit, go for a 2/2.5inch system from downpipe back, consider ipdusa.com for a camshaft upgrade too.

i'm all about tuning these reblock engine baby! turbo's are my game, and i am coming into nitrous too (but thats a secret cos greek will get excited and want me to put it on his impala)

Matt
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post Jun 3 2009, 05:11 PM
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whew! didn't realize it was such an involved process. I'll stick to pure motor and see what i can juice out of this baby. She's not my daily driver, she's more or less a project, the 964 is the daily driver... i'm not too willing to mess with him (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Thanks you guys!
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post Jun 4 2009, 05:40 AM
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no worries dude, everyone thinks its just bolt it on and away you go and are then shocked at what actaully needs to be done. its cheaper to scrap the na and get a turbo model ... I myself went the whole hog (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) and did buy a turbo model. its much easier!

Plus converting to a turbo is quite complicated and a LOT of learning about engine management involved too, aswell as turbo's etc... I have found my 'journey' into the world of forced induction pretty hard, its extrmely hard to find out the basics as everyone flames you for wanting to know and learn and try things. annoying i know!

If you want, i have a load of books on engine management, turbo charging, supercharging and bitrous injection if you want the ISBN numbers for them. its growing all the time too. really i bought them to look at the pics ... nah i am reading them, but there is a load of quite complicated math work involved in sizing for your engine etc...

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post Jun 10 2009, 09:59 PM
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Well I surely appreciate your patience with what probably seemed like a silly question- lots of people online are not willing to help people learn, only willing to help people understand how little they know (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

This project is a few years from even starting, i've got to get a place with a garage because I don't want my neighbors complaining that my driveway looks like a junkyard :-P

And thanks for the offer with of the ISBN numbers, I'd hate to put you to the trouble! I'm going to see what i can find at the local library about performance without boost.

I had a stray thought of piping the air injection pump to the intake on my 964. I stopped that brainstorm when i realized how "rigged up" that would be and how silly i'd look trying to explain it to people.

Innovation is the key to human development though!

Thanks again, and many more happy miles to you and your Volvo!
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