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> 1990 Abs? Fuel Consumption
David N
post Oct 1 2008, 05:05 AM
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Would a 1990 740 GL 2.3l have ABS brakes?


Also any idea of how much fuel this model is likly to use around the city?
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post Oct 1 2008, 05:40 AM
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the easy way to tell would be to open your bonnet and on the right side above the wheel arch there will be a big metal unit with ABS written on it with all the brake pipes going in and out of it, if not then it will just be the pipes coming from the big round black brake servo on the bulk head.

it'll prob average around 15-18 miles in the city dependant on how your drive it. freeway you might see 23 tops i would say

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post Oct 1 2008, 07:15 AM
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thanks Matt, I haven't got a car yet so just doing a bit of research.

Thanks for the fuel consumption info - i'll have to convert that to l/100km as i don't understand gallons and miles anymore!
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post Oct 1 2008, 07:20 AM
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Matt, In your opinion, does ABS have the potential to be problematic in old cars?

Those fuel consumption figures you suggested, are they based on gentle, normal or lead footed driving?
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post Oct 1 2008, 07:47 AM
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figures are based on a rough average from what i have seen other people with various driving styles have posted.

ABS doesnt tend to be a problem if its well looked after, fluid is clear and not dark and dirty, make sure you change the brake pads when they are getting low.

a hard knock on the wheels eg hitting a kurb at speed, can have effects on the wheel alignment, hub, suspension, brake disc, calipers and the abs sensor and wheel within the hub too, so look out for that.

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post Oct 1 2008, 08:00 AM
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Matt, Which do you reckon is better, the 740 or 940 or are they much the same? I have driven one 940 once, and it may have just been that particular car, but I felt like my 244DL was of better quality.
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post Oct 1 2008, 09:29 AM
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the 244's are a much more sexual car. they look better in my opinion, i also want one but the mrs will not allow this.

the 244's are of much better build quality, but are most succeptable to rust in the usual places.

the 740's are an improvement on the 240's in terms of rust resistance, and the turbo's are probably the better models. steer clear of diesel if you value your life. the engines are poor and dirty - old vw derivative. eugh.

940's are a much more modern shape, more rounded in the body work, improvements include better suspesion = better handling, brakes, the engines are still the same 4 cylinder, though you can get a 5cylinder 2 litre i think or the 5/6 cylinder 3 litre which come much later on, like 1995+.

I have both a 740 and a 940. i would say i love the look and feel of the 740 over the 940, just cos it was my first volvo. the 740 is much heavier and wallows a bit at high speed 80+ mph i find.

If you want to keep your 244 / dont have room for a 3rd car (eg a 940) then get/stick with the 244, and spend the extra money on upgrades for example:

polyurethane bushings on the front, stiffer suspension coils, 25mm anti sway bars etc... a good place for these is www.ipdusa.com.

personally i would say stick with the 244 and do the suspension and brakes with the money you want to buy a 7/940, UNLESS you can have your 244 AND the other car.

From the 244 i would say you would love a 740, not so much the 940. This is my opinion only, others may comment.

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post Oct 2 2008, 04:27 AM
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G'day Matt, I don't have the space nor the resources for more than one car so I set out this morning with a budget to spend on a 740 or 940 thinking the former would be the favourite. I drove a 1990 740GL with just under 200Kkm on it - it was a nice car, much faster than my 244DL, power steering was fantastic and i liked the different ratios of the four speed transmission - but it didn't grab me, i was just as happy to get back into my 244DL and drive on to look at a 940 which I didn't even bother speaking to the salesman about as it was so rough looking. I went on to look at another 740 with less km's than the one above but not as good, once again I was happy to get back into the 244DL. The 740s were nice but I couldn't see the opportunity in spending the budget I had allocated so my trusty 244DL sits back in its usual spot out the front confident that it has not been passed over. I don't know what it is, I liked the 244s when I was young, strangely it was the day running lights and the noise they make that attracted me!

However, I have seen this one:

http://www.carsales.com.au/used-cars/priva...e_id=80&trecs=9

which I will keep an eye on. The sexiness (thanks for that) of a 240 series but with the modern features. We'll see, I do like the one I have despite it heavy steering, slowness and high fuel consumption.

Thanks for the discussion...david
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post Oct 2 2008, 05:01 AM
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no problem. hope you find the right one, but dont get rid of your 244, you will regret it !!!
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post Oct 2 2008, 07:58 AM
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those words will probably echo around in my head for years! I reckon the only 'pill' that could overcome that might be a V50 D5.
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post Oct 2 2008, 08:19 AM
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diesel eugh. get an s80 v8 4.4 if you can, i want 4.
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post Oct 2 2008, 08:51 AM
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Well yeah, I'd be happy with just one. I'm trying to be climate conscious and I drove one a few months ago and it was pretty good. I'm a motorbike rider as well and coming from the 244, it felt the closest thing to riding a four wheeled motorbike that I've had!

I believe the fuel injected 240s used a mechanical system. Do you know if that is true of its complete life span or was it only the early models? Also, did Volvo put ABS in the later model 240s when they were running alongside the 740 and 940?
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post Oct 2 2008, 09:13 AM
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bosch mechanical fuel injection, k-jet. they def used it in my 89 740 ;) its pretty clean itself, doesnt really need maintenance. rock solid system i think.

i think some really later model 240s did have abs, and later 7 and 9 series also had abs. my 940 has abs and thats 93.

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post Oct 17 2008, 08:15 AM
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Hey Matt, Are you out there? I've found a 740GLE with only 112Kkm, one owner, full history. I believe the engine in this car should be a 16 valve DOHC. Is there anything I should know about this engine before I go and have a look at it. I've been trying to find how many kw and nm it produces to compare with the 740GL but can't find anything. Have you got any idea or can you suggest a source of information.

Thanks...david
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post Oct 17 2008, 08:30 AM
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your lucky if you found 16V version. they are much more spritier off the line and have more power. i wouldnt know about the mileage per litre fuel on them, there is probably someone here who was one though.

erm ... beware of cam belt changes, make sure its serviced regularly as the cam belts go on these and they will cause a lot of damage to the head if they go un-noticed for a bit.

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G'day Matt, The car was advertised incorrectly, it isn't a 16 valve but I bought it anyway. It had one owner up until now and has been well looked after. I seems OK and I have to say it is pretty nice having power steering. Whilst it is a GL, it is an Australian special edition so it has allow wheels, leather seats and keyless entry. The front seat had covers on them and apparently the back seat was always covered by a blanket so the upholstery is un-blemised. Pretty good buy I think.

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not bad ... sounds like a GLE to me over here :) leather interior is awesome on these cars especially if it has been looked after and cared for. If it has keep doing it and the seats will probably outlast the useful life of the car for you.

The common mis-conception with the 16 valve motors is i think the editions like GL, GLE, SE etc... i think (dont quote me) but the 16v is a GLT (not turbo as most think) otherwsie that will be a GLE Turbo. they didnt make