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> Changed The Engine Cradle On The 850, might need help with control arms
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post Jul 6 2008, 11:29 AM
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i changed it last night with my dad cuz the old one was really messed up on the left and my dad said that if he pulled it any more that it would crack. so he left it and we've been driving with the left wheel a little towards teh rear. now we got one for really cheap at teh junk yard a changed it.

but there is one small thing. we also put on the junkyard control arms. they were different from the ones we had but the wheel sits the same. i looked it up and i found that the wagon and sedan had different ones. do you think that i should put the original ones back on? the original is one solid piece. the sedan ones are not. the end(i'm not sure what its called) is held on by three bolts. i'll take pictures to explain better.

oh and if anyone wants pictures of how we set everything up, i'll post them. or i'll do it anyways later. i just dont think that this is a very common part that gets replaced...
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post Jul 6 2008, 06:23 PM
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but the thing is, you changed it. good for you. hell, post the pics, i would love to see how that was done.
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post Jul 6 2008, 09:03 PM
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QUOTE(effdbmx1 @ Jul 7 2008, 12:29 AM)


but there is one small thing. we also put on the junkyard control arms. they were different from the ones we had but the wheel sits the same. i looked it up and i found that the wagon and sedan had different ones. do you think that i should put the original ones back on? the original is one solid piece. the sedan ones are not. the end(i'm not sure what its called) is held on by three bolts. i'll take pictures to explain better.

oh and if anyone wants pictures of how we set everything up, i'll post them. or i'll do it anyways later. i just dont think that this is a very common part that gets replaced...
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Oh, please DO send them. Include the pics as well. Make it as detailed as you want to. THat'll be yours.
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BTW, my intuition says that there shouldnt be any difference between the fronts of a sedan and a wagon. If any, the difference may come from the makers (manufacturer designs).

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post Jul 12 2008, 07:27 PM
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ok i finally wasn't lazy enough to upload the pictures. here they are:


the engine cradle:
(IMG:http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i4/effdbmx1/100_1016.jpg)

jacking the car up:
(IMG:http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i4/effdbmx1/100_1015.jpg)

this is how we hang the engine while the engine cradle is off:
(IMG:http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i4/effdbmx1/100_1025.jpg)

(IMG:http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i4/effdbmx1/100_1023.jpg)

(IMG:http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i4/effdbmx1/100_1026.jpg)


it wont let me post more pics in one post =/
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post Jul 12 2008, 07:28 PM
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the rest of it :


i'm gonna skip to where the engine cradle is off:
(IMG:http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i4/effdbmx1/100_1036.jpg)

the engine just hanging :grin: :
(IMG:http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i4/effdbmx1/100_1042.jpg)

both engine cradles:
(IMG:http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i4/effdbmx1/100_1043.jpg)

good engine cradle:
(IMG:http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i4/effdbmx1/100_1049.jpg)

(IMG:http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i4/effdbmx1/100_1051.jpg)

(IMG:http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i4/effdbmx1/100_1052.jpg)

(IMG:http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i4/effdbmx1/100_1053.jpg)


thats all for now. i have a lot more pics if anyone wants something specific.
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post Jul 12 2008, 07:32 PM
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oh and i dont know if i have to say this stuff on forums but this is for informational purposes only. and if you do this dont base it off of this and idk what else to say. you guys get the point. and its probably not the best idea to use wood...
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post Jul 13 2008, 02:08 AM
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Fabulous!
Superb!
Great job!

I love your idea of using the most practical things to get the job done! That's very creative of you.

Even the wood thing was very enlightening to see. Not everyone has space big enough to house the dumb crane lifter. HEHE.

Fabulous!

But you really didnt have to skip any of the stages. You can flood the thread with your pics. (Well, it may help if you resize the pics first)...
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post Jul 13 2008, 02:10 AM
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By the way, i am also thinking of changing mine cos the four mounting are prolly dead, if not dying or ripped.

Thanks for the idea!
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post Jul 13 2008, 11:31 AM
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i am pinning this. great reference point. and i love the wood also. and the paint can. and to show you how tough this guy is, he did it wearing flips!!!!!!! :banana: toes, who needs all of them!!!!! :grin: and the wood is better, i actually saw a guy bench pressing a rotary because they couldn't wait for the brothers to show up with a hoist. that was funny. well, i thought so, i guess the guy under the car was scared beyond belief. good job.
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post Jul 14 2008, 04:08 PM
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Excuse my ignorance, but what was the reason for doing this? Also, how did you manage to get the cradle from under that jack and put the new one in its place cause the jack was in the middle of it. Sandles while working on the car, me too :lol: .
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post Jul 14 2008, 10:15 PM
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I think in his case, the frame was bent.

I plan to do it too, cos my frame mountings are torn already. 2 of the four. The ones that i saw that day was almost new mountings, and cost only RM250. If new, all the four mountings cost in excess of Rm1k.

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post Jul 15 2008, 11:19 AM
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QUOTE(xpiecemealx @ Jul 14 2008, 01:08 PM)
Excuse my ignorance, but what was the reason for doing this? Also, how did you manage to get the cradle from under that jack and put the new one in its place cause the jack was in the middle of it. Sandles while working on the car, me too  :lol: .
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yeah it was messed up on the left and it couldn't be pulled any more without tearing. the i took that jack out from under the engine to switch them. theres a picture of the engine just hanging. thats what the wood and stuff is for.
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post Jul 15 2008, 11:23 AM
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QUOTE(ampangbear @ Jul 12 2008, 11:08 PM)
Fabulous!
Superb!
Great job!

I love your idea of using the most practical things to get the job done! That's very creative of you.

Even the wood thing was very enlightening to see. Not everyone has space big enough to house the dumb crane lifter. HEHE.

Fabulous!

But you really didnt have to skip any of the stages. You can flood the thread with your pics. (Well, it may help if you resize the pics first)...
:)

Cheers!
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well i didn't really skip anything. i just didn't take pictures of every bolt the we unscrewed. i think that if someone is capable doing this, they will figure out what they need to unbolt :grin:
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post Jul 19 2008, 08:22 AM
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Good job. I think you'll find that the 3 bolt ball joint was used on the 93 only and 94 and up use the solid a-arm I would keep them until replacement time and buy a pair of newer ones. I just replaced mine for 99.00 for the pair and that included sway arm links! (e-bay)
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whats replacement time? i've never heard of replacing control arms unless they're damaged
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post Jul 20 2008, 09:04 PM
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I think that's what he meant.

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The 1994 to 1997 ball joints are not serviced separately, when your ball joint needs replaced you have to replace the a-arm/control arm. They come with ball joints in place and bushings already pressed in, along with new bolts. The 1993 ball joints can be replaced without replacing the a-arm. Hope this helps.
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QUOTE(stevemc @ Jul 25 2008, 04:43 AM)
They come with ball joints in place and bushings already pressed in, along with new bolts. 
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One of the OEM providers that i experienced, sold the a-arm only with the ball-joint as new. The bushings, together with the new bolts are sold separately.

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FCP Groton on ebay have these for 99.00 which includes shipping. A-arms with ball joints and bushings installed and new bolts. Also included both sway bar links. I have several 850's and have purchased two sets. Seem to be good quality. Hope this helps someone save some money.
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Cool, and thanks for the update.

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